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		<title>By: Ohio State sets the record straight in light of media misinformation &#124; Bridge To Science</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ohio State sets the record straight in light of media misinformation &#124; Bridge To Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and researchers know this. Reporters do not, and it’s a great source of misinformation (see here and here for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: the evolving mind &#187; Advocacy, Objectivity and Violent Video Games</title>
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		<dc:creator>the evolving mind &#187; Advocacy, Objectivity and Violent Video Games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] number of weeks ago I made this post: Correlation, Causation and Media Violence. I discussed a problem with a study finding and was pleased to have one of the authors comment on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Boxer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Boxer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

By far, the most comprehensive (and, actually, quite readable) reference to which I could refer you is the monograph lead authored by Craig Anderson and published in the periodical, &quot;Psychological Science in the Public Interest.&quot; This is the policy-oriented outlet of the Association for Psychological Science (formerly American Psychological Society). I am almost certain that Craig has a copy of this posted on his website through the Psychology Department at Iowa State University. Excellent reviews and meta-analytic works also have been authored by Brad Bushman and Rowell Huesmann, both from my group at the University of Michigan. Brad posts his articles on-line too.

These works will lend credence for you to the idea of &quot;you are what you watch.&quot; It is true that choices drive consumption, but over time that effect washes out in comparison to the effect of the consumption per se. For example, in Rowell Huesmann&#039;s 2003 paper which appeared in Developmental Psychology, early TV violence viewing predicted later aggression but early aggression did not predict later TV violence viewing. 

As to the press release, mine was written by our PR office and I know this is the case at least for the University of Michigan as well. The headlines and leads are designed to be attention grabbers, I&#039;m sure, which is partly why they include links and citations for the full studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>By far, the most comprehensive (and, actually, quite readable) reference to which I could refer you is the monograph lead authored by Craig Anderson and published in the periodical, &#8220;Psychological Science in the Public Interest.&#8221; This is the policy-oriented outlet of the Association for Psychological Science (formerly American Psychological Society). I am almost certain that Craig has a copy of this posted on his website through the Psychology Department at Iowa State University. Excellent reviews and meta-analytic works also have been authored by Brad Bushman and Rowell Huesmann, both from my group at the University of Michigan. Brad posts his articles on-line too.</p>
<p>These works will lend credence for you to the idea of &#8220;you are what you watch.&#8221; It is true that choices drive consumption, but over time that effect washes out in comparison to the effect of the consumption per se. For example, in Rowell Huesmann&#8217;s 2003 paper which appeared in Developmental Psychology, early TV violence viewing predicted later aggression but early aggression did not predict later TV violence viewing. </p>
<p>As to the press release, mine was written by our PR office and I know this is the case at least for the University of Michigan as well. The headlines and leads are designed to be attention grabbers, I&#8217;m sure, which is partly why they include links and citations for the full studies.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

Thank you for commenting.  I am pleased you did.  I have two points and two questions.

Points:
- Unfortunately, and somewhat disturbingly, to read many journal articles a person must either be a member or subscriber.  I hope this changes in the future.  Just as precision is essential to the scientific endeavor (readers of this blog know that one of my pet peeves is that precision should be extended to the use of language) so too is transparency.  It doesn’t make sense to me, beyond financial considerations, that scientific journals make it difficult to “look inside” a study.

- Upon re-reading my post, I see I may have undersold the current state of evidence for the influence of violent media on behavior.  It is my tendency to err on the side of tentativeness.  This, I think, both reflects the reality of science and best models a scientific attitude.  I strive to make my tentativeness inversely proportional to the weight (and quality) of evidence.

Questions:
- On that note, could you point me to the best, recent studies conducted on the topic?   I may have missed something.

- Who writes the news releases for your work?  Is it generally the job of the institution’s “public relations” department and/or science journalists?

It seems to me a problem with the communication and consumption of science is that risks for populations are frequently interpreted as risks for individuals.  

A case in point would be the statement “You are what you watch.”  Whether or not an individual is or becomes what they watch will likely be determined by whether they choose what they watch, their personality/temperament, whether they identify with the protagonist or antagonist, etc.

Again, thank you for commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>Thank you for commenting.  I am pleased you did.  I have two points and two questions.</p>
<p>Points:<br />
- Unfortunately, and somewhat disturbingly, to read many journal articles a person must either be a member or subscriber.  I hope this changes in the future.  Just as precision is essential to the scientific endeavor (readers of this blog know that one of my pet peeves is that precision should be extended to the use of language) so too is transparency.  It doesn’t make sense to me, beyond financial considerations, that scientific journals make it difficult to “look inside” a study.</p>
<p>- Upon re-reading my post, I see I may have undersold the current state of evidence for the influence of violent media on behavior.  It is my tendency to err on the side of tentativeness.  This, I think, both reflects the reality of science and best models a scientific attitude.  I strive to make my tentativeness inversely proportional to the weight (and quality) of evidence.</p>
<p>Questions:<br />
- On that note, could you point me to the best, recent studies conducted on the topic?   I may have missed something.</p>
<p>- Who writes the news releases for your work?  Is it generally the job of the institution’s “public relations” department and/or science journalists?</p>
<p>It seems to me a problem with the communication and consumption of science is that risks for populations are frequently interpreted as risks for individuals.  </p>
<p>A case in point would be the statement “You are what you watch.”  Whether or not an individual is or becomes what they watch will likely be determined by whether they choose what they watch, their personality/temperament, whether they identify with the protagonist or antagonist, etc.</p>
<p>Again, thank you for commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulBoxer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting take on the press release. Of course I agree wholeheartedly with you that correlation is not causation. If you read the original article you will see that we consider that and related caveats when attempting to interpret our data, and we are quite up front about the fact that the study was correlational in design. The experimental and longitudinal studies that are out there are far more conclusive regarding the causal influence of violent media. So your statement &quot;we don&#039;t know yet&quot; is true only insofar as actual violent behavior is concerned. We certainly do know with respect to experimental analogs of aggression, and more general, lower-intensity forms of aggression, that you do tend to be what you watch.

What we show in the new study is a link between actual violent behavior and violent media preferences, controlling statistically for other risk factors implicated in the development of antisocial behavior. These two facets of the investigation are novel contributions and need to be replicated and extended. Happy to discuss this further with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting take on the press release. Of course I agree wholeheartedly with you that correlation is not causation. If you read the original article you will see that we consider that and related caveats when attempting to interpret our data, and we are quite up front about the fact that the study was correlational in design. The experimental and longitudinal studies that are out there are far more conclusive regarding the causal influence of violent media. So your statement &#8220;we don&#8217;t know yet&#8221; is true only insofar as actual violent behavior is concerned. We certainly do know with respect to experimental analogs of aggression, and more general, lower-intensity forms of aggression, that you do tend to be what you watch.</p>
<p>What we show in the new study is a link between actual violent behavior and violent media preferences, controlling statistically for other risk factors implicated in the development of antisocial behavior. These two facets of the investigation are novel contributions and need to be replicated and extended. Happy to discuss this further with you.</p>
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